you could look at north carolina and norfolk south, virginia and csx. there are many other states where we don't have progress. irnl one or both of you want to terry briefly and then get back to my main interest which is captive shipper rates >> they really get lost in all of this. one of the things troubling is the massive use of stock repurchases. i think one would have to look at a balance you say, well, people have a right to reward their share holders. they are encouraged in people to invest. along with that is the whole question of capital shipments. that's really why we are here. i would like to hear from you, a sense of your path to fairness of the captive. shippers come to see me all the time. they come from all over the koirpt country. i'm not a lawyer but i feel like one when i think of all the cases brought before the itc or stb and feeling short changed. they are always up against you can win or loose because you have a system. you sort of discuss the release in some of these papers i am reading but it is a case of timing. the classic techn